What "4th knob" would you add to your favorite BJFe pedal?

[cajone5]

Ok what would you guys add as a fourth knob to your favorite existing BJF designs ???

HBOD with a Treble knob to dial in the brightness. Many love the dark tones but there are plenty of folks who find it too dark for their rigs...

PPF with a Voltage Sag knob -- no explaination required here

EGDM and MH(vT) with their respective trimmers on the outside.

Or if you want to really do something awesome -- having a compression knob on the EGDM would be epic.

SYODv2 with a "Bite/Sharpness" knob to dial it in between the smoother distortion characteristics of the SYODv2 and the bright cutting distortion tones of the SYODv1.



Question.... should this topic be its own thread? [[done]]

So what else do you guys have in mind?

[melodichaotic]

Ok what would you guys add as a fourth knob to your favorite existing BJF designs ???

HBOD with a Treble knob to dial in the brightness. Many love the dark tones but there are plenty of folks who find it too dark for their rigs...

PPF with a Voltage Sag knob -- no explaination required here

EGDM and MH(vT) with their respective trimmers on the outside.

Or if you want to really do something awesome -- having a compression knob on the EGDM would be epic.

SYODv2 with a "Bite/Sharpness" knob to dial it in between the smoother distortion characteristics of the SYODv2 and the bright cutting distortion tones of the SYODv1.



Question.... should this topic be its own thread? [[done]]

So what else do you guys have in mind?

I'll just copy what I posted on the 9th from the original thread:

I think you will have no problem getting a number of replies on this, myself included...well, two are obvious: treble for Model H and EGDM...lower mids control for Dyna Red, although right you could have it voiced with some pre-set lower mids, and it could certainly benefit from having an additional presence control, so that the high could be say "tamed", yet the overall voicing of the upper frequencies could be set/left more open.

There are lines of course that emerge, when one may want something very specific/custom, and yes the outboard pre and post EQ/boost solutions work very effectively, though there is that bit of a balancing/convenience dynamic(or conundrum depending on how you look at it), where a balanced and varied sound is achieved in a self contained unit(Model G comes instantly to mind), and where different EQ/boost settings emerge specific to each drive pedal that is used.

Of course, after all this time, recently it came to me that since Bjorn thinks so outside of the conventional box, that 3-knobs can't always properly represent
the brilliance of his designs.

I will also add that, yes I agree with you Cliff on the treble or presence knob for the HBOD, though since I have a Deluxe, I have it set so that the BPB is on at unity gain(or slightly higher), and it definitely lifts the HB side enough(adds that nice sheen like the Minivibe does), and that works for me since I usually have N at around 10 o clock.

I also agree on the SYOD...I think V1 could be voiced overall slightly less bright, but with an additional presence knob to smooth out the top end, while allowing for higher, more open treble settings.

For V2, I have the earlier Gold top slightly darker by comparison to the later V2's(which I think sound very close to V1 at lower to med gain settings), and the treble range is great on that one...all it needs is a presence knob to lift things a bit overall and you'd have a different SYOD killer.

Yeah, you can get kooky on the functions....compression knob on the EGDM would be very cool although without the compression it wouldn't be an EGDM(not necessarily a bad thing)....I though it would be cool to have in addition to a presence control for the HB, and sag control(not voltage), so that you could get it slightly tighter sounding, but then with the option of getting even more saggy, for some super Supro grease

I played through a Maven Peal with the sag control a long while back and that control worked GREAT...would be killer applied to the Bee.

There's lots of very do-able possibilities.

[jonnyrocket]

This thread is very exciting! I love all the suggestions so far and am curious to see what Donner and Bjorn come up with.

I recently got a Himmelstrutz C-Luxe and love the Core knob. Basically it adjusts the internal voltage of the pedal from 6 Volts to 22 Volts with the use of a typical 9 Volt power supply. This is not only very convenient, but it also allows the pedal to go from more compressed and distorted to more open sounding. Of the BJFE/BF that I have tried (HBOD, Model H, DRD and EGDM), I would like to see this most on the Model H and EGDM.

[Joeleo]

I always thought the Model R with a 4th knob that reduces low mids in one direction and adds treble in the other direction would be absolutely unstoppable.

[thesjkexperience]

A Mids knob on the HBOD would allow it to get closer to the Fender small tweed sound when combined with the Nature Knob. A Voltage knob could be fun so it could sag like normal, but turn up the Voltage and it moves closer to the SHOD.

For the DRD I would have the two knobs be an active mids or lower mids control, so you could go from a slight scoop to a mid hump where at lower gain it would be a massive, juicy Tube Screamer. At higher distortion levels it would act as a resonance knob that would be like tuning a 4x12 cab. The 4th knob would be a presence cut at full off would take the knob out of the circuit for more volume and gain and the opposite way might be a "woman tone" sound. A Voltage switch that drops it down to 7.5 Volts would be fun too

Candy Apple Fuzz could also have an active mids knob for a slight mid cut to a mid boost that at higher levels reduce the treble slightly. I love the CAF, but it is just untameablely (not sure if that was was a word until now ) bright. I had to tune my settings to the CAF and adjust the other pedals to work with a muddy amp, but then I had no edge of break up clean tone.

EGDM and MHvT should have the trimmer as the 4th knob. I know they are supposed to be set and forget, but most of us have two or more amps with diffent power tubes and thus different voicings. Not to mention the slag you sometimes have to plug into at blues jams. A 12 to 9 Volt switch could also be very useful on the EGDM where you run 12 or 18 Volts into the pedal and you can switch down to 9 Volts at any time.

SBEQ should. Oops it already has 4! But, I want a switchable, always on or always off, buffer! I suppose this would be usefull to have the switch (external) that would allow you to power at 12 to 18 Volts and switch down to 9 Volts.

[Bobby D]

I always thought the Model R with a 4th knob that reduces low mids in one direction and adds treble in the other direction would be absolutely unstoppable.

interesting.,.........i like that idea!!!


and maybe a DRD with a mid-focus knob that shifts the mid emphasis of the pedal.

honeybee with the same mid-shift knob, or a presence knob for more highs?


deep blue delay with a MODULATION knob

[Donner]

I always thought the Model R with a 4th knob that reduces low mids in one direction and adds treble in the other direction would be absolutely unstoppable.

interesting.,.........i like that idea!!!


and maybe a DRD with a mid-focus knob that shifts the mid emphasis of the pedal.

honeybee with the same mid-shift knob, or a presence knob for more highs?


deep blue delay with a MODULATION knob

yes ~ gots to have some wiggle on my delay Mint Green Mini Delay ~~~~~~~

[SteveA]

A Mids knob on the HBOD would allow it to get closer to the Fender small tweed sound when combined with the Nature Knob. A Voltage knob could be fun so it could sag like normal, but turn up the Voltage and it moves closer to the SHOD.

For the DRD I would have the two knobs be an active mids or lower mids control, so you could go from a slight scoop to a mid hump where at lower gain it would be a massive, juicy Tube Screamer. At higher distortion levels it would act as a resonance knob that would be like tuning a 4x12 cab. The 4th knob would be a presence cut at full off would take the knob out of the circuit for more volume and gain and the opposite way might be a "woman tone" sound. A Voltage switch that drops it down to 7.5 Volts would be fun too

Candy Apple Fuzz could also have an active mids knob for a slight mid cut to a mid boost that at higher levels reduce the treble slightly. I love the CAF, but it is just untameablely (not sure if that was was a word until now ) bright. I had to tune my settings to the CAF and adjust the other pedals to work with a muddy amp, but then I had no edge of break up clean tone.

EGDM and MHvT should have the trimmer as the 4th knob. I know they are supposed to be set and forget, but most of us have two or more amps with diffent power tubes and thus different voicings. Not to mention the slag you sometimes have to plug into at blues jams. A 12 to 9 Volt switch could also be very useful on the EGDM where you run 12 or 18 Volts into the pedal and you can switch down to 9 Volts at any time.

SBEQ should. Oops it already has 4! But, I want a switchable, always on or always off, buffer! I suppose this would be usefull to have the switch (external) that would allow you to power at 12 to 18 Volts and switch down to 9 Volts.

Really love these suggestions. Am I missing something on the SBEQ having a fourth knob though? The HBOD with a 4th knob would be interesting for sure. There's already a MHvt with 4th knob trimmer (could we have a batch of those here please!!!!) that i'd kill for, the EGDM as well. The thing is when you start with 4th knob options, especially on classics, you get into there are so many options territory. But to be honest, the one thing i always thought was missing was a mid knob on the sbeq. I always had a hard time dialing in the right amount of mids but just loved that tuby sound it gave. Beautiful.