Split topic: Research PRocedures .....

[DocRock]

Hi
What I try to do?

I read and learn and try to never interfere in a negative way and to only interfere in an effort to help or aid ..........and welcome any honest and open view

The bottomline though is that you all are my well that tells me things often involving amps I may never hear as those may be only present in other countries and might never enter Sweden, but I use what you tell me and what I know of amplifiers to try to understand and in this my pedals are also spies that report on various things...........

For this feedback I am thankfull and the help you have given

Benevolently and sincerely yours
BJ

I think what mrpicard meant by "try to do" was that perhaps the R&D process could have more focus and be of better help to you if more people knew greater information in terms of a new experimental circuit's intended use, i.e., for what specific purpose did you build it? If someone knows going into it a little bit more about what R&D overdrive or fuzz "X" is intended to do, or why it's different from the others, this type of additional information could potentially facilitate an even better review and R&D process overall for all concerned.

At least that's what I got out of it, which is what I thought I was agreeing with. (Not trying to speak for mrpicard ... that's just how I read it.)

The bottom line is that we are all most happy to be able to participate in these things in the first place. I just think that everyone is so pleased with your work, and we all just want to make sure we're helping you as much as we can. I don't think anyone is complaining ... I just think that people are trying to discuss possible ways to make things as beneficial as possible to all concerned, especially you. We all just want to be of help.

Also benevolently and sincerely, and in the spirit of great fun,

Doc

[mrpicard]

I think what mrpicard meant by "try to do" was that perhaps the R&D process could have more focus and be of better help to you if more people knew greater information in terms of a new experimental circuit's intended use, i.e., for what specific purpose did you build it? If someone knows going into it a little bit more about what R&D overdrive or fuzz "X" is intended to do, or why it's different from the others, this type of additional information could potentially facilitate an even better review and R&D process overall for all concerned.

At least that's what I got out of it, which is what I thought I was agreeing with. (Not trying to speak for mrpicard ... that's just how I read it.)

The bottom line is that we are all most happy to be able to participate in these things in the first place. I just think that everyone is so pleased with your work, and we all just want to make sure we're helping you as much as we can. I don't think anyone is complaining ... I just think that people are trying to discuss possible ways to make things as beneficial as possible to all concerned, especially you. We all just want to be of help.

Also benevolently and sincerely, and in the spirit of great fun,

Doc

Yup, that is 100% what I was trying to say Thanks Doc

[huckleboogie]

WHATT???
someone sold their SWF for $ 800???

that's crazy!

the one i won i n the drawing is on my board all the time, and the only reason i didnt try to write a review is that its my entry in the world of fuzzes and i couldnt compare it really to other products on the market. i only know that i'm LOVING it:-)

if i should ever feel the need to sell it (cos i need money or switch to ukulele) i would post it here and ask for the same 450 i bought it for....

i bought a BBOD for quite a lot of money half a year ago....and now i dont even use it that much. if i ever should sell that one, I'll be in trouble...even askin the price i bought it for will raise a lot of people's eyebrows. hmmm....

[mrpicard]

if i should ever feel the need to sell it (cos i need money or switch to ukulele) i would post it here and ask for the same 450 i bought it for....

Another person who likes to "keep it in the family"

While I am here...can I be first on the list if you do sell the SWF? If I ever purchased your SWF and then had to sell I too declare that I would also post it here and ask only $450 for it.

With regards to the BBOD, I don't really see that as the same thing. I reckon that you should sell that for any price you like. That was a standard off-the-shelf pedal that everyone had access to and could easily buy if they wanted. The fact that it is now out-of-production just means you got lucky and can now sell it and make a profit from it. I don't see that as a problem at all so go for it I think that the pedals that people have a bit of a price issue with is the limited R&D/prototype/test pedals that only get released via this forum, such as the SWF etc. With those, there has always been an unspoken principle that if people didn't want the pedal they would sell it to other forum members at the same purchase price. It was kind of a "gentleman's agreement" so that other forum members could test the pedal and provide feedback to BJ and to other forum members. That kind of helped BJ develop his pedals and was a nice feature of belonging to the forum family. That principle has now been questioned because these pedals have escaped into the wild and are getting very high prices, beyond the reach of a lot of people here. I guess the jury is still out on the outcome. I suppose the current status is that if you were selling an:

1. Existing BJFE off-the-shelf pedals such as the EGDM, DRD etc = get the best price you can.
2. Out-of-production BJFE pedals such as the BBOD, PPF etc = get the best price you can.
3. Special one-off or very limited BJFE pedals such as the Purple Humper = get the best price you can.
4. Custom/R&D/prototype BJFE pedals released by Donner only on this forum = totally up to the owner but forum members would prefer it if they were offered on here first at something close to the original price. However, there is no law against you selling it for what you like so it is totally an individual buyer/seller thing.

Does that sound like the current state of play to people?

[BJF]

I think what mrpicard meant by "try to do" was that perhaps the R&D process could have more focus and be of better help to you if more people knew greater information in terms of a new experimental circuit's intended use, i.e., for what specific purpose did you build it? If someone knows going into it a little bit more about what R&D overdrive or fuzz "X" is intended to do, or why it's different from the others, this type of additional information could potentially facilitate an even better review and R&D process overall for all concerned.

At least that's what I got out of it, which is what I thought I was agreeing with. (Not trying to speak for mrpicard ... that's just how I read it.)

The bottom line is that we are all most happy to be able to participate in these things in the first place. I just think that everyone is so pleased with your work, and we all just want to make sure we're helping you as much as we can. I don't think anyone is complaining ... I just think that people are trying to discuss possible ways to make things as beneficial as possible to all concerned, especially you. We all just want to be of help.

Also benevolently and sincerely, and in the spirit of great fun,

Doc

Yup, that is 100% what I was trying to say Thanks Doc

Hi

Thanks Doc and mr Picard,

I di think of having some of that in the above post but it dawned on me that it would be a long story for all ends on all models but that it might be better done in seperate threads by the model and I shall indeed try to write something of the background of each circuit and what application would be intended.
I think I have put information on some models but will try to get a bit better organized in that department.

Gentlemen have fun
BJ

[DocRock]

[huckleboogie]

yep, mrpicard,
i see it the same way actually. very well put!
thank you.

[Teahead]

mrpicard puts in well, bottom line is let your conscience be your guide.

[cabo]

i believe the karma canal is now flowing

[Donner]

hehehe

one thing you dont want to do in research is create the self fulfilling prophecy effect by putting too fine a point on the info given the testers - you sort of want the testers to lift the fog themselves - that one reason for the 'group' testing you sort of get a quicker and more detailed consensus than doing the secret tourbox approach of plug this in and tell me what you hear.......

maybe it might be fun in the next trial to seek 'blind' volunteers