Split topic: Research PRocedures .....

[Donner]

well the only real rule in the Customshop is anyone getting a research pedal from me damn well better do a thorough review or you wont get any future invitations to the research parties


I had thought of doing the research rounds at the current price and once they are proven jumping the price closer to resale since theres no risk .....

and its just the customs and the discontinueds that run the premium resale - the rest are just a good healthy low supply high demand resale , and its just like Ive always said - the $500 pedal that resells for $500 is cheaper than the $150 pedal that resells for $100

really the only people flippin them for profit are those that need the money or dont need the tone - good luck to them either way

[mrpicard]

Following the R&D theme...I know that there are some pedal review formats created by various members on this forum. However, I was wondering if BJ/Donner could put together a standard "form" that we could use to evaluate the R&D pedals. This way the reviewers know how to structure their comments and BJ will get exactly the information he is looking for. I have quite a few amps and guitars and of course the BJFE pedals react/sound different with each one. Therefore, it would be helpful if there was some kind of "standard" review format so that I could target my comments for what BJ is looking for. So far most of my thoughts are "sounds great" and "excellent" but that is pretty useless and I would like to be a lot more helpful than that if I can.

[Donner]

yep standardizing reviews would be great.... but first we would need to standardize the reviewers


when I used to do a lot of reviews it helped me to just break it all down into EQ,Distortion and Compression changes .... if you want to help take the time to train your ears a bit....


take your favorite guitar and pedal and amp and see if you can describe the differences as you change settings...


learning to hear objectively is very valuable no matter what you do in the music business....

[nichcope]

Imagine if it was '64 and you were able to play protos and provide R&D feedback for the MKI tone bender or in '65 for the MKII. If I was to guess, I'd say that 43 years later lots of us on this forum would still go to bed smiling about that tone experience. I think when someone sells a SWF for $800 they should advertise it as a 40 year membership to the good tone club for just $20 a year. I love my SWF, didn't spend $800 for it, but definitely worth every $ that I did spend for it!!!

Definitely cool idea with the R&D standard form. It'd be awesome if there was a harmony central review type section to the forum that was just bjfe pedal reviews by specific categories. Something simple and very easy to find the info that you're looking for. (http://reviews.harmony-central.com/revi ... lectronics) It could be like the Harmony Central link except just focus on the Sound Quality section with more detail and also keep the overall rating section.

[nichcope]

yep standardizing reviews would be great.... but first we would need to standardize the reviewers


when I used to do a lot of reviews it helped me to just break it all down into EQ,Distortion and Compression changes .... if you want to help take the time to train your ears a bit....


take your favorite guitar and pedal and amp and see if you can describe the differences as you change settings...


learning to hear objectively is very valuable no matter what you do in the music business....

cool! great tips Donner!

[mrpicard]

It'd be awesome if there was a harmony central review type section to the forum that was just bjfe pedal reviews by specific categories. Something simple and very easy to find the info that you're looking for.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. At the moment you have to try and trawl through all the individual posts on the forum to find comments/reviews of the pedals.

[Eskimo_Joe]

You know, if for no other reason than it has sparked a good conversation, I'm glad the Snow White sold for $800. The more quality discussion the better!

[Donner]

Actually EJ made a sort of review form, maybe I need to post a clean version of it somehwere more obvious...

the Library is supposed to be just that with a thread for each pedal that anyone can add too...... thats one of the reasons I went to t his forum from the old 'site' setup - so everyone could put stuff up not just me......

[scottcw]

The standardized review thing is great as long as reviewers don't get disparaged for negative reviews. Comments like "I never had that problem" or "must be your guitar and/or amp and/or speaker" discourage participation and, frankly, don't foster the sense of "community" that everyone talks about. It would also be great to know before buying a custom shop pedal if it has certain limitations like prefers humbuckers or certain speaker types. Then the buyer could determine if it would be a good fit for their rig. Heck, maybe even ask the buyer for a detailed description of their rig ahead of time and refuse to sell something them something that may not work. This would reduce the chance that the buyer would be disappointed and flip for profit.

[Eskimo_Joe]

The standardized review thing is great as long as reviewers don't get disparaged for negative reviews. Comments like "I never had that problem" or "must be your guitar and/or amp and/or speaker" discourage participation and, frankly, don't foster the sense of "community" that everyone talks about. It would also be great to know before buying a custom shop pedal if it has certain limitations like prefers humbuckers or certain speaker types. Then the buyer could determine if it would be a good fit for their rig. Heck, maybe even ask the buyer for a detailed description of their rig ahead of time and refuse to sell something them something that may not work. This would reduce the chance that the buyer would be disappointed and flip for profit.

I think it is important to give both sides of the story. Bjorn's pedals are second to none in my opinion, but that certainly doesn't mean they are perfect (some of them are). I think we would benefit by being a bit more forthcoming about the things we really don't like if those things exist. At the same time, we have to accept it if others disagree or other up reasons that might contribute to the given issue.