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Postby BJF » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:38 am

Hi,

Over the last two days or so I have gotten some links to my mailbox regarding threads at HCFX and TGP.

I'll compile my thoughts on that in this post.

Firstly I have never written onto the net what precise parts I use on my pcb's.
I design my circuits from sound and colour and then what actually goes on the pcb would have to come later.
I draw a lot of schematics and look up many component types and choose what would be closest to the sound I'd like and the functions and then I'd play and listen to define the operation of the circuit and remove what I don't like more than add while both can be possible
Yes I can modify circuits, but I'd view that as a different format more zoomed in on.

I was asked when BBOD was to be launched if it contained a cheap OP amp-not that parts would be used in product presentation but that many might ask if it was a Tube Screamer........


I told then that the BBOD was a discrete design and as I had told when first asked about what it was I told that it was sort of a fuzz circuit, but I was told to consider calling it an overdrive instead as it sounded more like an overdrive and calling it a fuzz would lead many people to the wrong conclusions just because of what they'd read into a name...........this turned out to be extremely true.

Anyway so the BBOD was launched and then as I added DRD it was just assumed I guess that it would have to be a discrete design.Actually it might be presumed that I only work with transistors..........well I work with tubes and transistors and IC's and whatever part I'd find working for me.

OK so onto LGW. I told about this circuit that it was not gooped and for the reason that the circuit was well explained in the product presentation and also as it contains an IC that can be changed.
Oh, and I though the other guy was the one famous for making gooped tubescreamers ;)

It might seem easy to jump to the conclusion that if LGW is not gooped and it contains an IC then all my other models would be gooped because they contain transistors or those are really gooped tubescreamers ;)

However as I told in the beginning of this post my pedals aren't designed with mojo parts that I need to use in marketing.
I work with sounds and behaviours of distortion and modulation et.c. but not with mojo parts.
Since parts are not really something important for me to use in product presentation I don't see the point of telling what parts I do use and besides I'd not like to enter the discussion on wether all transistorized circuits are fuzz faces or if all IC's sound like tubescreamers or if tuberectifiers or carbonbatteries make your sound better.

Ahum , well I have adressed many times mojo thinking and that with that parts have uses and I believe in defining the limitations of parts and using what would fit the application rather than building around a mojo component to make that work but that works too as long as limitations are observed.

Right well I am not a beginner nor a student allthough I would think of doing somethingelse the day I find I don't learn anything new.

I mention this as I don't necessarily sit down with a ProCo RAT to make a BJF Honey Bee.

As a sidenote if I'd sit down with a Pro Co RAT I'd think about what I like and what I don't like about the sound and they way the sound feels to play and I'd view that as a guitarpedal, a tool if you will.
It is maybe twenty years ago I played a RAT for the first time this year.

Yes I know reality is defined by models to make it understandable and manageable, and yes I see the gallery of models used on the internet today and a few years back......and names are put to circuits- some of those names I hadn't heard some ten years ago before entering internet.

I have seen over the years and remember well when launching the BBOD that there will always be people who want to cash in and the only way to maintain my business through hard times that have occassionally been has been through tradesecret and that protects forever or until someone cracks it.
Through the years this has worked well, but it's not the only way and I know I'll come up with more circuits- if I hadn't a few years back I would not be writing this today but perhaps work with something completely different.

I've actually avoided answering specific questions on what semicondutors I use and much because it usually matters little to the enduser what grounds I have had for using a specific semiconductor and it would strike me as muddying the water on that it may appear deep.
I get questions from musicians wether their sound would improve from using oxegynfree or whatever usually something they have read about on the internet and many times it's just the latest flare and usually focused on something that has little baring to the application.
I have told many to focus on what is the limitation in a total system and finding out how to get rid of that and to worry less about what the components are as your not playing the individual components but you are playing the sound.
I have recognized this missinglink in communication between musicians and technicians and I usually try to keep components or circuits outof normal conversation.

I have had questions to what semiconductors I would use and answered those like this that it's not the component but how you use it, and what I'd use in one of my models might not necessarily apply to the next guy's circuit, oh and those that have asked me questions like this have moreorless invariably built pedals themselves.

Yes I do talk shop at times while usually only with the people I work together with.
I'd find it more helpful to the next guy to help out with his/ her design with thoughts than to pound my chest and say look at my circuits instead!
I also happen to believe that knowledge of the parts and circuit are the keys to succesful design.


I don't think I have been asked that many times on what I'd look for in an OP amp but again that depends on the circuit and as a buildingblock it can be selected according to the desired limitations............but OP amps also have an internal structure and reading those tell a whole lot.
Some mecahnisms can be addressed via powersupply voltage and others by external components, while sometimes a chip can be desired for a couple of key parameters vital in a circuit- this is again not really useful information to the enduser.


Much of my point in this that I choose parts for their merits in a specific circuit rather than the other way around, but my design process invariably starts with a sound.

Oh yes it took me nearly ten years to find a specific transistor that would do the presice function I wanted for the BBOD, but the only reason I have mentioned that is that it made production difficult of that model.


On the Honey Bee, yes that was first just a wim and I thought it would be fine with something like 6 units........today though Honey Bee has its own myspace fanpage.

Right so it is not illegal to crack a tradesecret, while there's an ethical level with what one would do with the cracked nut ;)

Learning: Actually I did go to a site to tell things that could be useful to those wanting to learn more about my circuits or just my views on components.
I wrote many posts, enough perhaps for someone who read them all to design a circuit based on the written word...actually I believe so and hope to write more about that.

It was proposed to me then that my circuits on an electroniclevel could be further expanded on on this site so
the DIY section is going to grow and I'll see about some new tools.

Another thing I noted was that there was more interest for actually building working pedals thatn theory of operation.

I also have seen from the DIY section here that likely more units would have been built if more complete kits also would have been offered - and this shall be looked into as well and I'll put up a post about that in that section too.

I had this question put to me wether I'd like to be rich or famous or popular or .........well I'd like to lead a fun life I'd say to that.

OK so onto MP Amplification and the why's

Like this I was asked if I'd build an amplifier to go with my pedals and I said no because I would not have the time, but could not resist the offer of designing an amplifier or two or three and well now that I was doing that and having so many orders could there not also be pedals and yes I'd think that'd be a good idea.

Are MP pedals supposed to be cheaper?
Not necessarily, and in fact I think it shows how low margins I actually kept over many years to stay in business because MP pedals are made much the same way as BJF pedals and of course the hardware parts cost...........
however the point was rather then that MP pedals could be made available almost around the globe and fairly easy to get.

Much of this development has made BJF pedals harder to get new but also the popularity of the BJF pedals has made a long line of orders.

Common to all my models is that they all rely on at least one but most often several components being matched or selected- this is something that carries heavy cost in large productions and obviously not desirable and to be avoided if possible.


Ah and now to how close to Honey Bee is the MP Sweet Honey OD?
Well, making the same thing would not strike me as fun but I was thinking why not take the most used sound and expand on further? Oh and there would be more fun things eh?

Right so what would benefit me the most is ofcourse if the MP SHOD would become popular.

For seven years I have put up posts on various forums and that has saved me time answering questions, while time changes constantely and I think realisticly I'll stick to answering questions on this forum.



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Re: Internet Rumours

Postby Bobby D » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:35 pm

well put, BJ.....this is great info. And trust me, the recent discussions have done NOTHING to hurt your reputation, in fact, this whole debacle has made people respect your design skills EVEN MORE. For those that thought they were going to hurt your reputation, their plan has BACKFIRED upon them. 8)
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Re: Internet Rumours

Postby DocRock » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:38 pm

Wow, I've been out of the loop for a bit.

Anyway, sending best wishes to you, BJ, and everybody else. Great posting as always!

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Re: Internet Rumours

Postby spiritofeden » Sun May 03, 2009 1:15 pm

What can I say? Wise decision...I would like to ask you if you Could kindly tell us more about how close the HBOB and the MP SHOD are. I'm really courious but I would not like to buy 2 times the same thing...even if I already know I will do it for sure!... :-D Anyway on the MP site they describe the SHOD as their take on the HBOD...What are the real differences between the 2 pedals? Thanks ;-)
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Re: Internet Rumours

Postby BJF » Sun May 03, 2009 3:20 pm

Hi

Pleased to meet you spiritofeden.

Well, firstly I am the designer of the MP Amplification circuits, so in a way it'd be my take on the honey bee which I designed for BJF Electronics- somehow that strikes me as funny ......

Right, it's a very valid question you ask and I shall try to give the best answer I can.I guess it could rise to an internet rumour too?
There was a prototype made for the MP SHOD and a couple of units made for research on this forum these units ver named Flametop OD's and in the section bjfediscussion you'll find both reviews and comparisions to BJF Honey Bee and also many of my notes as research went on at my workshop and my own reflections.

Perhaps someone would do the honours and post links to relevant threads?
Thanks before hand

Anyway here goes.
Neither circuitwise or cosmetically or soundwise are the Honey Bee OD and the Sweet Honey OD the same.
Here's a thing I wrote to Bart of Discofreq:

'Well I had a crew test that for me today:
To begin with they don't have the same controls and are not made with similar parts as it's one thing to make a few hundreds and quite another to have something like a few thousands made;)

Sondwise the new pedal - name is under discussion as we speak- has a tighter bass and generally a more aggressive sound- sort of like a younger more eager and cockier if you will brother.
This is also how the testcrew described the differences and maybe I'd say more of a rock sound.
However this model can be set with its middle control to sound pretty close to a Honey Bee.

It's funny you know the Honey Bee is a model I made as an anniversarymodel only to be made in four units.
Oh well....

Indeed I had in mind to design something for MP pedals that could compete with BJF Electronics best sellingmodel and this was asked for by MP amplification.

This much to take the heat of my handmade production.

However there's more since there would also be a need for a pedal that could predrive the MP101 high gain channle with low output pick ups and since I could test this model with with five different guitars and five different amps at any outputlevel I'd see fit and that my ear would like to hear I saw no point in not exploring the possibilities and examine what would make differences in amplifier designs and guitar designs.
In many ways this new model had a different coming than the Honey Bee.

To be honest I felt and heard the Xcotic BB Preamp do the most convincing and useful pumping of the MP101 lead channel and thought getting this type of molding into a sound would have to be a second cause for this new model.

The Heavy Metal to country crew told the MP SBOD was perfect on the MP101 channel 1 while the Xcotic BBpreamp was a match for MP101 channel 2 and I would have to agree.
Right if there now could be a model that could make something of the sounds of the Honey Bee and yet also mold with both channels on MP101 amplifier aswell as work with the rest of the test equipment.......
add to this that this new model would preferably work with typical backlines.

I realize there will be a connection between these models and some intended and some by confusion.
It's the way things go as people refer to something they can relate to.

Further on likeness and differences this new model has like the Honey Bee a dynamically controlled range of distortion. It is likely that this new model may have a colour similar to that of the BJF Honey Bee;
However this model sounds different and behaves differently enough for the testcrew to say that both have their uses being different valid sounds.

I might add that to the testcrew also a BJF 3BOD was presented and to that the remarks went towards the 3BOD being more a similar pedal but with different filtering to the Honey Bee and yes the 3BOD was made for bass and Honey Bee for guitar and those are more similar circuitwise allthough they came about at seperate points with different objectives.

As a sidenote at NAMM I understand quite a few that tried this new model had no idea there ever were any BJF pedals or any sort of products from BJF Electronics- a company they had never heard of while they knew about MP amplification.

It might show that BJF Honey Bee and that's a model made in 501 units, while being my best selling model still would be mostly known to an inner sphere and so BJF pedals might just be vapourware only existing on the internet.

This new pedal has three controls one for Volume and one for drive and one for distortion in a guitar register= in this case upper midrange so this control at the same time controls distortion and frequency content.

I found this control to be a most useful tool when changing guitars and amplifiers, speakers.

Let's say that if you can set one of the most used sounds from the Honey Bee on the new pedal you can also go from there to a more aggressive sound.

One thing that many HB user enjoy is how it makes almost a fuzz sound on the low strings, sagging while this new model stays potent while yet dynamically controlled.
For the SHOD I felt I'd like to make a tighter sound and so it would pump channel 1 of MP101 in the prefered way.......

I think an analoghy might be that if the Honey bee would sound like a small amp with a small powersupply and worn down speaker this new model sounds like larger amp with ample powersupply and more modern speakers.

With this new design I focused more on how sound travels between gear than getting a specific sound and function.

Ah, you know ones I asked 10 Honey Bee owners to help me describe the sound and I got replies like : 'Golden'

I wish I could give a precise answer to this new product while it will take time to compress this into something like it's simply this way;)'
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I think most would say the MP SHOD and the BJFE HBOD are not the same pedal but two pedals that could thrive on the same pedalboard or system.

I think perhaps the most used sound Honey Bee can be set closely on the SHOD.
It was my object to make design a circuit that would do some of the things that the Honey Bee does but also a pedal that would deal with wishes of what the Honey Bee could do like more distortion, more treble, tigher sound, more rock 'n'roll ;)
Some have commented that when the Honey Bee would be used as an overdrive to an allready distorted sound, dynamics would be squashed and there's a particurlar fast sound ........Oh yes I got the SHOD to do that by also tuning response to ten guitars.

Circuitwise I can not really comment on SHOD as it is an MP pedal.

I can say this though that as a design SHOD started with a colour that once Harri showed me and a format of three controls and then a dynamic behaviour to distortion and prefered EQ both adjustable from something close to Honey Bee to something rawer and more aggressive and in contrast to Honey Bee the SHOD was designed with an array of guitars and amplifiers at levels from wisper to earshattering, whereas the Honey Bee was designed on a somewhat constant level with a testguitar a Flying V.

SHOD would not have been thought of without the presence of Honey Bee while I might say the SHOD is a more competent pedal while Honey Bee a more specific pedal.

Some members on this board that have played both the Honey Bee and the SHOD /Flametop were much into advocating that these two have little in common- nah it wouldn't be much fun making the same thing in a new box again would it?

However yes I'd say the SHOD is the MP take on Honey Bee and yes I figured there would be some discussion on this subject.

I am also sure that the diehard Honeybee fans won't use anythingelse than a Honey bee while I'd think the SHOD could easily open doors to a new audience.

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Re: Internet Rumours

Postby spiritofeden » Sun May 03, 2009 4:29 pm

Thanks BJ for your passinate reply, I can clearly see how you love your job...I'm going to keep he HBOD but tomorrow I will order a SHOD as well ;-)

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Re: Internet Rumours

Postby nichcope » Fri May 07, 2010 6:06 pm

Ah, the rumours thread, this is the perfect place to find the answer to a rumour I've been dying to know the answer to........ I heard that there is a modified version of the flux capacitor in one of your pedals. It sounded crazy at first, but since I own many BJF pedals and they are clearly the best pedals on earth, I thought I'd do a little research. This led me to wikipedia, where I found this info on flux capacitors............

"The flux capacitor, which consisted of a regularly squared compartment with three flashing lights arranged as a "Y", was described by Doc as "what makes time travel possible". The device is the core component of the time machine."

Well, upon looking at my BJF pedals, I noticed that they were all in regularly rectangular compartments. The flashing lights part through me off at first, but then I remembered that my 2-Stomp MiniVibe has a flashing red light on it. Is it possible that this rumour is true and there's a flux capacitor in my MiniVibe?

I don't know how you do what you do Bjorn, but flux capacitor or not, I sure am glad that you do what you do!!!
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Re: Internet Rumours

Postby thesjkexperience » Sat May 08, 2010 8:33 am

I am not sure about time travel backwards, but they sure make time accelerate! I will be playing & twisting knobs & playing & twisting... suddenly 3 hours are gone! But you do know about time when you are having fun! There are so many great sounds in each pedal I will now spend several days with just the new pedal and tuner before putting on the board just to get a handle on it. So deep!

My first Bjorn design was the SHOD and I thought it sucked. :shock: But, I was loaned a HBOD and EGDM I really spent much more time, came here for tips, had fun, learned about pedals and BJF designs. Maybe the inverse of Bjorn, but oooh man was I hooked. In about 6 months I have 8 BJF design pedals with a TOP on the way. I think back 5 years I had NO pedals! (I have played since 1980) (My hero is Rory Gallagher and I learned to wring as much as I could from just a Strat and a Mesa Boogie MKIIB)

I just repurchased a SHOD and now that I understand the truly gifted Mad Professor I am really loving it! The sick part (for my wallet) is there always seems to be room for more :twisted:

Thanks Bjorn!

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