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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby Donner » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:33 pm

EyeFly wrote:Like the good DocRock, I'd rather not go into details. I did have to leave my job but found another; wound up living in an apartment during the week in TN for my job while my family remained in SC. Figure my house won't sell for a while and I'm not giving it away so, we may be in this living situation for a while.

I am still employed and get to go home 2 out of every 3 weekends; on call one week out of three. It could be much worse and I know there are those who have been devastated by this whole ordeal.

Donner,

Need to keep your ideas going. The Frat is a GREAT pedal!!Tough time for a start up but things will get better!!!

cork


thats a great attitude Cork ! - and that makes all the difference as you know...

I am going to make a batch of Frats and see what happens , even tho its a risk these days.....
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby DocRock » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:55 pm

I'm no economist. I'm just a guy, one of millions who are right in the midst of all of this crap with the economy. These are simply my observations and opinions.

I just saw on the news that Rolls Royce sales are actually UP right now.

IMO, this lends support to my theory about wealth. In physics, it is said that matter can neither be created nor destroyed ... just displaced, converted, transformed, etc. I feel that the same is true about money. I don't believe it can be created or destroyed, either ... just displaced as it changes hands over and over and over again.

The wealthiest in the world have never been wealthier in the entire history of civilization than they are right now. If those at the top have never had more, then it only makes sense that the rest of us would have to have less and less, as there seems to be a finite amount of collective wealth to possess.

No wonder sales are up for Rolls Royce. I know there are some rich people who would read this and laugh at me because they may feel that someone who has never had any wealth for himself shouldn't have theories or opinions about it.

Whatever.

I wish somebody would bail ME out.
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby Jagattack » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:04 am

You're right Doc, check this stat:

1993 - Top 1% of USA families held 17% of the entire wealth of the country
2006 - Top 1% now hold 23% of the wealth

Of course it has probably dropped now, in real terms, but the percentage would not have changed much, if at all.

Unfortunately your money theory is incorrect - asset bubbles arise and then deflate, the money comes mainly from debt and is not real when people can't pay it back.
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby DocRock » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:10 am

Jagattack wrote:Unfortunately your money theory is incorrect - asset bubbles arise and then deflate, the money comes mainly from debt and is not real when people can't pay it back.


Like I said, I'm not an economist. I don't even know what that means. :oops:
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby Jagattack » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:15 am

DocRock wrote:
Jagattack wrote:Unfortunately your money theory is incorrect - asset bubbles arise and then deflate, the money comes mainly from debt and is not real when people can't pay it back.


Like I said, I'm not an economist. I don't even know what that means. :oops:


Yeah you do, say you buy a 50th anniversary R9 by borrowing the money ($5k), when you take possession of the guitar the value of DocRock P/L
has gone up by basically $5k, although resale value will be the true amount. Everything goes along fine for 6 months then you can't make the repayments.
The lender takes the R9 and the value of DocRock P/L falls by possibly more than what you borrowed - lender sells it for $3k because they don't
care and then come after you for the other $2k to close out the loan. So, not only have you lost an R9 that you could have sold for $5k but also lost another $2k.

Of course you wouldn't let this happen in reality, you'd sell the R9 yourself before the lender moves in, and I chose the anniversary R9 as the example
because you'd probably get what you paid for it. You can see where the problems arise when we have regular goods needing to be sold to cover debts,
unlike the luxury limited edition R9, the regular goods can't be sold for anything like their purchase price. The valuation of these goods is not equal to
what they are costing you in foreclosure.

Now, make it even worse, financial companies were running their business like this - assets were suddenly not worth what they were bought for,
and where they were purchased using finance (debt) the balance sheet suddenly collapsed: assets did not cover liabilities anymore and the company
was bankrupt in a few short weeks (Lehmans etc).
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby DocRock » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:14 pm

Thanks for the explanation.
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby jfromel » Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:21 am

I am a realtor for my day job, needless to say I have had a lot more time to make pedals and amps.
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby Bobby D » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:03 pm

jfromel wrote:I am a realtor for my day job, needless to say I have had a lot more time to make pedals and amps.



screw realty -- YOU need to MAKE PEDALS 8)


there's not many guys i would day that too, but you are one of the few!
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby Donner » Mon May 18, 2009 9:31 pm

So have we hit bottom ???

I dont know - it feels like that place where everyone knows we a re screwed, but have gotten used to it enough to go on with life.......I hope 8)
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Re: How has the economy effected you ...

Postby DocRock » Tue May 19, 2009 12:16 am

Hmmm, tough to say. I hope things start getting better at some point soon.
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