Clip Section ?

[Donner]

So. lets have some discussion on what would be the most useful form for a 'clip repository'.

A stickied thread here ?

A separate forum ?

A thread in the Reference Library ( actually there is one but it doesnt get used) ?



Discuss

[bsic]

I think a dedicated forum would rock for this. Then you can have a specific thread on whatever pedal or stack or setting that person is sharing, with a discussion if needed following it.

One thread may get confusing if a bunch of folks post clips, and a bunch of other people comment in the same place, could be messy.

A dedicated forum would also be easier to page through if you are looking for something in particular, by just looking at the thread titles.

My .02

[SteveA]

Yeah, a separate section for clips would be great. Great idea bill.

[melodichaotic]

I PM'd Donner about this a couple of days ago, because I know I'll be doing more clips, (and hopefully others will follow), and there should be a separate board just for this--rather than posting clips arbitrarily, and having the clips get lost in the shuffle.

He mentioned about doing this as a pedal specific thing..e.g: clips and discussion of the SYOD in a specific thread, and I agree. It would make referencing easier, and keep for the most part, discussion and response relative to THAT specific pedal without too much wandering.

Same for video demos as well...I know this move would highly enhance this site, and I am looking forward to helping this along...I mean Donner and Bobby D have a substantial back-log of video demos that could be arranged and allocated accordingly, that way it would be easy to add to.

[bsic]

Yeah, a separate section for clips would be great. Great idea bill.

Idea was all Marty's! I saw him post it in his SYOD demo I believe. I agree that it would enhance the site. Folks new to the line, especially, wont have to search hard for clips on a particular model.

He mentioned about doing this as a pedal specific thing..e.g: clips and discussion of the SYOD in a specific thread, and I agree. It would make referencing easier, and keep for the most part, discussion and response relative to THAT specific pedal without too much wandering.

It would make referencing easier Marty- but just a thought- how would that work when comparing two, or say three pedals? Or providing clips on stacks, ordering, etc, that can spur an entire follow on conversation?

I think it may be cool to allow one TOPIC per thread, rather than one model per thread ie.. "Different stacks with a HB", "SHOD vs HBOD", "PGC clips before and after dirt", and so on..... forcing a thread to have all demos for one model could be limiting.

[melodichaotic]

He mentioned about doing this as a pedal specific thing..e.g: clips and discussion of the SYOD in a specific thread, and I agree. It would make referencing easier, and keep for the most part, discussion and response relative to THAT specific pedal without too much wandering.

It would make referencing easier Marty- but just a thought- how would that work when comparing two, or say three pedals? Or providing clips on stacks, ordering, etc, that can spur an entire follow on conversation?

I think it may be cool to allow one TOPIC per thread, rather than one model per thread ie.. "Different stacks with a HB", "SHOD vs HBOD", "PGC clips before and after dirt", and so on..... forcing a thread to have all demos for one model could be limiting.[/quote]

Bill, that is a good point for sure...I was thinking about a sub-board(s) scenario where it would be totally dedicated to stacking, and in that respect the one topic per thread would be ideal. That way there is an archive of audio/video demos of each individual pedal and that would specifically demonstrate that sound(s), and then relative to the users rig and setting which would be very cool.
Then with the stacking board, different combinations and order of those stacks could be specifically addressed.
There could even be another sub-board doing straight comparisons between two or more overdrives, fuzzes, etc.
The great thing about this would be not only hearing and referencing the individual pedals and stacks, but HOW each gets represented by how each player's favorite settings, again through their rigs.
Hey, I would say all suggestions, comments, etc are encouraged...I think a group effort would make this REALLY happen and totally elevate the site.

[Donner]

I used to have this on my original BJFE Reference site - before it became this board ...... goal was a pic, a description and a clip of each pedal , and thats how the Reference Library started ....

the problem is when you start dividing the interest it gets ...divided.....

another thing I had done was to sort of put the big threads into the ref library for later but same thing , after awhile it becomes redundant etc.....

Part of the 'community' is rehashing things from different angles as new people work their way ' in'

There has always been a desire to make a 'final reference set' for all things BJFE - I ve done it and tried it myself over the years and honestly thats not really what gets used --- you need some basic info to get people started and perhaps a Frequently Asked Questions - but as redundant as it seems discussion is a big part of a discussion board

[mrpicard]

There has always been a desire to make a 'final reference set' for all things BJFE - I've done it and tried it myself over the years and honestly thats not really what gets used --- you need some basic info to get people started and perhaps a Frequently Asked Questions - but as redundant as it seems discussion is a big part of a discussion board

Yeah, I 100% agree with that. A long time ago I looked at creating a clip reference section or thread or forum just for clips. I actually think about it every 3- months or so... However:

1. There are just so many combinations of guitars, settings, mics, rooms, cables, amps, fingers, fingernails, picks, strings etc, etc it is virtually impossible to get a "final reference set" as you say. Not only that but how do you cover stacking, what pedals, what order, there could be billions of combinations!!
2. By creating a "final set" you kind of cut out the experimentation. The thing about the forum is that you want people to look, experiment, find and make their own discoveries. Once you put it all in the open it kind of discourages new flows and new thoughts.
3. By creating a reference section people get lured into thinking that the audio defines "the" sound of the pedal. That is a trap that a lot of people could fall into and that is probably not a good idea..
4. One thing about any section is that it always gets "hijacked" because people always get off topic - that is the beauty of forums and that is the nature of humans, we like disorder and you never know what interesting stuff could pop up.
5. If we had a clip section we would have to monitor it strictly, cut off discussion etc etc just to try and keep it orderly and tidy. I am not too sure if that would work too well...it will also be a bit of work for the person keeping it ordered and of course it is never nice to be the person to stop people from talking in "reference" sections..

I don't mind reference sections for information covering dates, enclosures, versions etc etc because that is factual information. However, audio is very subjective and you can never really be precise and you kind of want people to talk about it and analyse it and give their opinions and comments - the more variety the better. The thing is, I think that when someone loads a clip there will then be a lot of discussion about it...which there should be...that being the case, what is the real difference between that and the "BJFE Discussion" section?? The good thing at the moment is that the forum is relatively simple so you really only have to look in one or two places. I mean, I already have the "BJFE Pedal Description" thread and it is amazing how many people ask questions in other threads about information that is already in that thread and that thread is very public (note: it gets updated every few days or so). So, I am not too sure if more sections, more reference threads etc would actually help the forum...or just make it too fractured...

One idea could be to keep posting clips to any section as you do now but have an index to that thread in an index file the "BJFE Library". That would keep the forum just as relaxed and simple as it is now but there would be an additional simple index (with no discussion content) if people also wanted to find things that way...

Oh well, lots of thoughts...keep up the clips because I love hearing them

[Donner]

yup, and you hit it on the nose MP--- Birth date for the BBOD is factual ..... a clip is really just a situational opinion....... the Date is the end.... the clip is the beginning .....

Mybe just a Clip rack - just links to clips by model for reference..... and then discuss it on a discussion thread in the discussion section .....

there just isnt a clean way to do it , and really we dont want to end discussions anyway

[mrpicard]

Try this: BJFE Audio and Video Clip Index. I will modify as it gets used and I think of things...