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So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:49 pm
by NewarkWilder
Actually, my ears tell me its a good idea so I'm probably gonna do it, but I wondered if anybody else has gotten this crazy.

I recently bought myself a TOP on ebay 'cause I missed my old one so much. Then, by total coincidence baiscally, I actually got my old TOP back in a new trade with our own Slim Henderson. I'd originally been planning to sell the 2nd one--why have 2 right? And while I love the phaser I've been using, a prophecysound 777 flying pan clone, its enormous and there is something about its resonance peak that has never seemed quite right to me.

SO. I tried a little experiment, having 2 TOPs in front of me along with my new 2 stomp vibe... and as some of you know or have read me talk about, the vibe and the TOP set to the clockwise anti-phase (or whatever) setting makes an incredible modulation combo, sort of acting like the top and bottom speaker of a rotating leslie. So I set that up before all my dirt, and put the 2nd TOP after the dirt set like a standard phaser.

I do believe I reached modulation heaven. With some nice tape echo, Fromel's DC-2 clone, and a little reverb I was floating in the dreamiest sea of sound I've ever heard. I can't say the 1st TOP at the beginning of the chain was absolutely essential, but when you took it out you were definitely losing a layer of something... something I don't know if you can really get any other way.

So I think I'm gonna have 2 TOPs on my board now. One early set CW, the other late set CCW.

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Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:16 am
by Donner
is this a mono or stereo rig ??

Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:40 am
by NewarkWilder
not really a true stereo rig. but if i kept the 777 i'd have the stereo panning phase, stereo dc-2 chorus and stereo dual delay w/ the timefactor. but i don't use the TF as much lately and I'm going to be selling my second amp pretty soon here... so i've basically got some cool stereo options but i haven't really invested in making it a true stereo setup and doing it right. and, well, when the 2nd amp goes its gonna be a while before i can get a new one. but i will probably pick up a used DRRI or something at some point and maybe take it a little more seriously.

that said, the modulation combo i'm talking about sounds pretty damn fantastic in mono too. but yeah, its pretty intense in stereo.

Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:46 am
by Donner
NewarkWilder wrote:not really a true stereo rig. but if i kept the 777 i'd have the stereo panning phase, stereo dc-2 chorus and stereo dual delay w/ the timefactor. but i don't use the TF as much lately and I'm going to be selling my second amp pretty soon here... so i've basically got some cool stereo options but i haven't really invested in making it a true stereo setup and doing it right. and, well, when the 2nd amp goes its gonna be a while before i can get a new one. but i wouldn't mind picking up a used DRRI or something to have around.

that said, the modulation combo i'm talking about sounds pretty damn fantastic in mono too. but yeah, its pretty intense in stereo.



Yeah I was jus thinking you could play up the dual rotor thing if you had two amps going... I like to do this with two complimentary amps like a vox and a fender

Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:55 am
by NewarkWilder
Donner wrote:
NewarkWilder wrote:not really a true stereo rig. but if i kept the 777 i'd have the stereo panning phase, stereo dc-2 chorus and stereo dual delay w/ the timefactor. but i don't use the TF as much lately and I'm going to be selling my second amp pretty soon here... so i've basically got some cool stereo options but i haven't really invested in making it a true stereo setup and doing it right. and, well, when the 2nd amp goes its gonna be a while before i can get a new one. but i wouldn't mind picking up a used DRRI or something to have around.

that said, the modulation combo i'm talking about sounds pretty damn fantastic in mono too. but yeah, its pretty intense in stereo.



Yeah I was jus thinking you could play up the dual rotor thing if you had two amps going... I like to do this with two complimentary amps like a vox and a fender


mmmm sounds tasty indeed

Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:28 am
by Donner
yeah if you use one that has some mid honk like a vox and one thats a bit scooped like the later fenders and modulation on just one or something that Pans between them you get these cool natural tone morphs that are more real than anything a pedal can do.......

Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:36 am
by nibus
I bet it sounds freaking awesome --

I really like Einziger's (Incubus) phase sounds and a lot of the time he's actually running two of them.

I actually came up with a really cool combo the other day which sounded kinda like tape flutter -

I set my Maxon PH350 for a slight negative feedback throb > Malekko Echo 600 > Catalinbread Semaphore on a very slight square wave chop > Diamond Halo Chorus > out to two amps. Modulation is fun!!

I want a SBMV!!

Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:20 am
by NewarkWilder
nibus wrote:I bet it sounds freaking awesome --

I really like Einziger's (Incubus) phase sounds and a lot of the time he's actually running two of them.

I actually came up with a really cool combo the other day which sounded kinda like tape flutter -

I set my Maxon PH350 for a slight negative feedback throb > Malekko Echo 600 > Catalinbread Semaphore on a very slight square wave chop > Diamond Halo Chorus > out to two amps. Modulation is fun!!

I want a SBMV!!


that sounds wicked!

the sbmv is beautiful.

come and see-

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that painting is by Devi Ever, btw. :o

Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:21 am
by nibus
hey - you've got a boob on your window!

Re: So is this a good idea, or just silly? (TOP cont.)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:32 am
by NewarkWilder
nibus wrote:hey - you've got a boob on your window!


she's the goddess of the seas.

don't you see the clouds reaching for her beauty?

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